Attack on Titan
FMmatron said: Yep, this fanbase in a nutshell. Having an opinion is okay, but low key looking down on other shows to feel good about your own dick size is patheticcchigu said: Good for you then that you are able to treasure something this much, I guess? What was the purpose of making this thread though? xD AoT is peeeeeaak fiction, can't sweat it enough imbaf is right, best anime of all time, no debate |
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cAbaddonMar 9, 2021 1:29 PM
HeadsUpPlease said: I mean, I had the same feeling about Lord of The Rings and then Attack on Titan came out, so...There's a chance future will bring us something as compelling :) you can't be possibly comparing AoT with LotR lol |
SoldierDreamMar 9, 2021 1:25 PM
Pakumen- said: If you have seen less than 5 anime, yes, AoT is for sure the best thing ever. For anyone else is a good show, but it´s just that. Definitively good shonen and better than the mediocre stuff like JJK or KnY, but the fandom likes to put some insane takes and drama on it, when in reality there´s plenty of better shows than SnK, specially this season that doesnt even feel like it´s going anywhere. I get you saying KnY is mediocre, but JJK isn't mediocre at all. Then again it's your opinion. |
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SVTK-117 said: I get you saying KnY is mediocre, but JJK isn't mediocre at all. Then again it's your opinion. I´ll even go and say that JJK is way more mediocre than KnY. Kimetsu at least makes you feel attached to 2 or three good characters, and it also does one thing well: fights. Also, while barely explained, the whole thing around the Demon Slayer corps is a bit more original. JJK is a ripoff of so many things. It´s basically the school and level system of Ao no Exorcist in a japanese way. The designs and some powers are clearly copied of Bleach. Gojo is literally Kakashi on steroids and the whole power system wasnt even explained properly. The author knows that his show is a ripoff, so he took for granted that we will understood the whole "cursed energy" as any other power system and didnt even tried. And then there´s the characters. 98% of the roster have 0 charisma or even a reason to be there. This thing could be called the Gojo Show featuring Nanami and would have been better. The whole reason people like some characters is because they are pretty. That´s it. |
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mi30Xx said: AnimeLeviathan said: And every argument you make on how Attack On Titan is good on a "technical level" can easiliy be dismissed by saying "I think that makes the anime bad" How can you disprove them? Someone could watch a movie where the entire plot is where one guy tries to destroy a city because his wife cheated on him or something, while taking itself completely seriously. That is not a good premise for a movie, and if your only argument is "someone could say that the premise makes it good" then that's just dumb. Take Violet Evergarden's art for example. One of my friends, who only really watches DBZ saw a scene I showed him and said it looked weird, but I'm pretty sure that we both know that Violet Evergarden has good art. Would you listen to someone who says "in my opinion, the detailed drawings make the art bad."? There are things that AoT clearly does well, such as worldbuilding, character writing for certain characters, and animation for S2. What matters most is enjoyment and taste. Someone can say the premise is good and that opinion holds the same weight as your opinion. You've yet to prove how AOT is factually good whilst representing facts. If you have any facts, I'd like to see them. |
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vec0 said: Isn't it Funny how nobody articulate or intelligent has ever voiced their opinion im regards to what makes Attack on Shistain is good? No, because nobody that is one of the aforementioned adjectives would like Attack on Titan.. Only retarded mobs of (man)children try to... but fail in trying to explain why it's ssooo gerd guise, because it's a horrible show, that like all Top MAL shows appeals so effectively to the masses of dull man(children). Damn, guess I can't have an opinion or else im retarded... Or atleast thats what someone on a MAL told me... |
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CEASAAAAAAR said: watched over 200 animes and as much i hate to say it AOT really blown my mind and it was one of the only animes i know the lives up to the hype, unlike other shows, for me at the moment i think it’s unrivaled and it’s unlikely we see an anime of this quality any time soon There´s plenty of better things than SnK, it´s just that people overreact to everything it happens on the series. If you are the kind of person that loves to go with the waves and what´s popular or relevant this kind of things get you. This season has been literally nothing valuable occurring besides Gabi´s development, yet people praise everything. Hobo Eren? Best thing ever Mikasa appears and says Ereh? Best female character ever Levi appears for one scene and cuts Zeke? Best side character ever Eren declares war? best thing ever Eren puts on a shirt? wow, incredible. All the oldheads talk with an intense face about badly made politics? Peak shonen. Like, the fanboyos are so exaggerated over the plot and what occurs. Same shit with the foreshadowing. Paths doesnt make sense, but people ate it and thought it was genius for some reason. Also, plenty of manga artists do foreshadowing at the same level or better than Isayama. One Piece is easily one of the best shows doing foreshadowing, and it doesnt use the "well, it was magic" excuse to explain things, because SnK does things pretty well, and the moment the story gets complicated the solution is "magic from the demons". |
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BigBadonkerTrap said: Pakumen- said: There´s plenty of better things than SnK, it´s just that people overreact to everything it happens on the series. If you are the kind of person that loves to go with the waves and what´s popular or relevant this kind of things get you. This season has been literally nothing valuable occurring besides Gabi´s development, yet people praise everything. Hobo Eren? Best thing ever Mikasa appears and says Ereh? Best female character ever Levi appears for one scene and cuts Zeke? Best side character ever Eren declares war? best thing ever Eren puts on a shirt? wow, incredible. All the oldheads talk with an intense face about badly made politics? Peak shonen. Like, the fanboyos are so exaggerated over the plot and what occurs. Same shit with the foreshadowing. Paths doesnt make sense, but people ate it and thought it was genius for some reason. Also, plenty of manga artists do foreshadowing at the same level or better than Isayama. One Piece is easily one of the best shows doing foreshadowing, and it doesnt use the "well, it was magic" excuse to explain things, because SnK does things pretty well, and the moment the story gets complicated the solution is "magic from the demons". I honestly love on how youre also taking wrong examples on why this season is great. Yes, Gabi character development is one of the major topic on these current arcs. I pretty sure you ignored or didnt realized the depth of Zeke words on S4EP1, he said "War is terrible things, the causality of our losing back then led us to this war". You also seems to take episode 2-4 as "meh lol what is this, boring" but idk exactly. I'm just assuming because you focused on hobo Eren too instead of all his surroundings. You also focused on Eren growl too, instead of focusing on Willy speech and conversation of Eren and Reiner. You also focusing on "Oh, theyre appeared at Marley!" instead of "Why theyre appeared at Marley?" Other than that you mentioned is nothing but nitpick lol. "Paths isnt make sense" it's a supernatural/superficial things why should it make sense? It's fantasy overall, sike. One Piece can do a lot of foreshadowing because it's a long run, of course there's a lot. Isayama can pull almost the same amounts of foreshadowing like Eichiro Oda even with less than 100 episodes. One Piece has almost 1000, if it has no foreshadowing its of course bad lol. Well, we can start by saying that a single sentence said by Zeke doesn't make the writing any better, specially when the whole thing started to be an issue the moment the biggest military nation in the world decided to send 4 kids to take back their biggest trumpcard, which was stolen by an adult way before that. Pretty stupid if you ask me. The conversation between Eren and Reiner doesn't mean anything. Reiner is a loser and wants to end all things, Eren said he doesn't hates him (which is a lie) and then Reiner cries. That's it. Tibur declaring a war against Eldia was just drama so Eren could appear. Come on, that's just the typical SnK intense faced dialogue to then do something. No one in the Paradis side of things was going to talk in Marley, since they don't have a real leader after Erwin died. How they appeared at Marley barely matters, I mean it was obvious they were going to show how, but it was very convenient if you ask me, same as the stuff with Zeke, which, by the way, decided to be a traitor on both ends. And your excuse for Paths is that is fantasy? The moment you wrote that you just admitted that you don't care about the faults of the series because you are a fanboy and just accepts everything Isayama throws into the series. Next thing you're gonna say is that Mikasa is a good character or something. Finally, it's not the amount of foreshadowing, is how you do it. After Paths every single fanboy thinks everything Eren says is a reference to the past, which is not, or is there is a shadow in the panel 3 of chapter 10 that's foreshadowing, and it's not. Good foreshadowing was when Reiner could read a can of products in a basement or when they talked about coffee, not the whole thing with traveling. Also One Piece makes it good by establishing a plot point, making something significant or coherent about it, and then return or expand to it years later. Not create an excuse and then try to tie it up. |
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CEASAAAAAAR said: Kiyotaka696 said: First of all i barely use MAL and there’s lots of animes missing but the 10s i gave i think are deserved but AOT deserves it the most but unfortunately the highest i can give it is a 10, if i could i’d give it a 20 out of 10, and yes i think the animes i highly rated don’t come close to AOT, i won’t say AOT is perfect but i see where these people that say that are coming from, for me it’s not perfect but it’s close to it, AOT gave me a feeling similar to when i was watching death note years ago and it’s definitely a masterpiece we don’t see oftenah i see so that other 10 animes that you have rated 10/10 is not close to AoT? i am not talking about people that says AoT is best anime for them, i am talking about people that think AoT is perfect and no other anime comes close to it, for example they rate AoT 10/10 and every other anime they have watched 8/10 and lower I want to say that if none of these 10s come close to AOT then surely these 10s aren't 10/10 Rather then saying aot is 20/10 make it the only anime that is 10/10 and all the other 9/10 because thats exactly what you mean. Even if you say i just give high score to animes. Thats just on mal, in your mind you still think that AoT is 10/10 and the other animes 9/10. And only your mind matters anyways |
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Kaito10 said: Kiyotaka696 said: ah i see so that other 10 animes that you have rated 10/10 is not close to AoT? i am not talking about people that says AoT is best anime for them, i am talking about people that think AoT is perfect and no other anime comes close to it, for example they rate AoT 10/10 and every other anime they have watched 8/10 and lower I for example rated AOT 10/10 and a lot of other shows 10/10 since I tend to give really high scores to the stuff I watch, but still for me personally, AOT is HIGH above anything else I've watched. Same thing with you just read the comment above. You also at mind don't think any of these 10s are 10s if its not close to AoT |
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MoonDragon72 said: Just wait for Steel Ball Run to get adapted This exactly. If David Production keeps up the same quality they've had with parts 1-5, Steel Ball Run it will easily become one of the greatest anime of all time imo. That is, if David Productions actually ends up adapting part 6 and 7, but I'm quite confident they will. |
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Kaito10 said: Kiyotaka696 said: ah i see so that other 10 animes that you have rated 10/10 is not close to AoT? i am not talking about people that says AoT is best anime for them, i am talking about people that think AoT is perfect and no other anime comes close to it, for example they rate AoT 10/10 and every other anime they have watched 8/10 and lower I for example rated AOT 10/10 and a lot of other shows 10/10 since I tend to give really high scores to the stuff I watch, but still for me personally, AOT is HIGH above anything else I've watched. Please dont argue with me when you obviously dont know what i mean. I am not talking about someone who think AoT is their favourite anime. I am talking about people that really see AoT in a different level example of person like that (imbAF). Also if you give 120 animes a 10/10 and Aot also a 10/10 then that means they are at least close to AoT at least one of them. Even if you say no i am not going to believe you because thats plain lying |
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Kaito10 said: Kiyotaka696 said: Please dont argue with me when you obviously dont know what i mean. I am not talking about someone who think AoT is their favourite anime. I am talking about people that really see AoT in a different level example of person like that (imbAF). Also if you give 120 animes a 10/10 and Aot also a 10/10 then that means they are at least close to AoT at least one of them. Even if you say no i am not going to believe you because thats plain lying I don't want to argue, but I do believe that AOT is on another level, because for me personally at least, that's true. The "coming close" point you make is a little too vague I think. You see, stuff like HxH, Fate, Code Geass come close to AOT for me in terms of "Wow that show was absolutely amazing" and left me with that feeling you get after finishing something like that, but none of those are even remotely close to AOT in terms of how highly I value them. Basically, I think they are all masterpieces, but AOT is more than just that. For me it doesn't matter how many Anime I rate a 10 because I know that none of them will ever reach the level AOT has reached for me. The rating system here is limited so I can't show how differently I value all the Anime I rated a 10, but I still believe they deserve a 10 because of the experience I had while watching. Just because two Anime are rated 10/10 does not have to mean that they are close to each other in terms of how much a person values them. When I rate something a 10, I do so because there have been certain emotions that I thought are worth it, but at the same time, I can't rate higher than 10, so I have to rate a lot of Anime with the same score, even if I believe the difference to be between them. This concept can be applied to 10-50-100-120-300 Anime and so on. Not a single Anime has given me the kind of feeling that AOT has, and most likely nothing ever will. Calling this a plain lie isn't something that really works. A subjective opinion on how much someone likes something cannot be a lie. I don't think AOT is perfect, but I think it's closer to perfection than anything else I've ever seen, and I really don't think anything can ever come close to it. In the end you mean your favourite anime is AoT right? |
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| @Pakumen- You articulated many of the reasons I'm disappointed with how the fandom is approaching this season. I think it's fine if people are excited, but let's not pretend the writing in the show is anything deep or revolutionary (I can't speak for the manga because I haven't read it). If anything, the pacing this season has been inconsistent as hell; people here usually say "well if you don't like scenes with talking then you're a mouth-breather", as if that's all there is to it and "scenes with talking" can't ever be written poorly. I felt that a lot of scenes in this season dragged on without any point, or could've been arranged differently. As an example, people cite the speech of Sasha's father as something profound, when it's literally the show creators spoonfeeding the audience something that could've been conveyed through him slowly putting down the knife and throwing Gabi a look of disappointment and pity, maybe even reaching out to her. But instead, we get a long-winded speech full of platitudes on how war is bad because kids get hurt. This season relies on scenes of mouth-flapping instead of taking advantage of the visual medium, and I find this worse and more boring than any CGI or whatever. |
BigBadonkerTrap said: This would make sense later on, honestly, this is exactly what manga readers have said back then. But guess what? I don't understand what you're trying to say here, can you elaborate? |
BigBadonkerTrap said: There are going to be a lot of spoiler, you sure? I guess keep it a bit vague, otherwise you might risk being banned for putting manga spoilers in an anime forum. I don't mind the spoilers myself because I have nowhere near the amount of interest in this story that I had in the beginning. I was more referring to how this season doesn't take advantage of the visual medium. Infodumps and long conversations make sense in manga since you can read at your own pace, but in anime it's just boring and lifeless if you have a character mouth-flapping while the camera slowly moves across the frame. The visual medium isn't only about explosions or fights. |
| @BigBadonkerTrap I don't have an issue with the message, but the way in which the show creators chose to convey it: by telling, not showing. After so long, everyone in the audience understands that war is bad. Hell, even Gabi understands in-universe that war is bad — and it wasn't from people telling her, because anytime someone tried it went in one ear and out the other —, but because she was shown that through her friends dying and the Eldians taking her, a total stranger, in. Even in that moment, when she was on the ground, she fully understood it after seeing Sasha's father looking at her like that. So we didn't need another "war is bad" speech, from a functional storytelling perspective. It's just rehashing what's been said before. Wasting time that could be spent on something else. BigBadonkerTrap said: Anime is audio-visual, isnt it? Honestly this season maintains balance with visual-thingy and audio-thingy. This episode can be considered focusing on audio-thingy, which is voice acting. Yes, the voice acting adds to the scene, but the story/information is still the main focus. From a visual storytelling point, there's not much difference between a scene where only the mouth moves and the camera slowly moves over the frame, and a manga panel. "Show, don't tell" is a thing for a reason: animation (movement) provides additional ways to convey meaning. If you don't take advantage of them, it's like putting a vocal track over a manga panel. If you could listen to the audio track without looking at the scene and not miss any non-auditory details, what's the point in having it animated? It's the difference between a scene in which a character tells another "I care about you a lot", and a scene in which the same character takes the other's hand and looks into their eyes lovingly. Same intent, different ways of conveying it. Does that make my point clearer? |
| @pandemonium91 It's not like his speech gave closure on Sasha's death or anything, or de-escalated the situation (Niccolo still wanted her death, even Kaya went for it later on?). So Gabi being forgiven by him, the father, an Eldian from Paradis, is obviously more meaningful than anything that's happened to her. It wasn't really an empty "war is bad" speech either. It was directly tied to the conflict at hand, that Sasha died by going outside her own territory to kill people, making avenging her equallly as sinful as her or Gabi's actions. It wouldn't resolve anything, nothing would be learned. It's more about taking responsibility and being an adult, rather than "war bad, muh kids". |
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Kaasfondue said: @pandemonium91 It's not like his speech gave closure on Sasha's death or anything, or de-escalated the situation (Niccolo still wanted her death, even Kaya went for it later on?). So Gabi being forgiven by him, the father, an Eldian from Paradis, is obviously more meaningful than anything that's happened to her. It wasn't really an empty "war is bad" speech either. It was directly tied to the conflict at hand, that Sasha died by going outside her own territory to kill people, making avenging her equallly as sinful as her or Gabi's actions. It wouldn't resolve anything, nothing would be learned. It's more about taking responsibility and being an adult, rather than "war bad, muh kids". Again, I don't have a problem with the message of the speech itself, but with the way that scene was written. Yes, it did deescalate the situation, but I personally felt it could've been done differently by relying more on animation (facial expression, body movement) rather than spelling things out. "Show [more], don't [just] tell". I realize this was probably due to a limitation in budget and/or time, but it still made that part of the scene seem stiff to me. |
pandemonium91 said: This is just your personal preference and nothing more in the end. I also absolutely hated Sasha's father forgiving Gabbi in a blink of an eye, since it is too white and the world and too unrealistic, but AoT never wanted to be realistic or relatable either. But yeah I also agree, some of these speeches in the show are too cheesy and pretentious even. Sadly, the next season is going to be utter shit because of thsi.Kaasfondue said: @pandemonium91 It's not like his speech gave closure on Sasha's death or anything, or de-escalated the situation (Niccolo still wanted her death, even Kaya went for it later on?). So Gabi being forgiven by him, the father, an Eldian from Paradis, is obviously more meaningful than anything that's happened to her. It wasn't really an empty "war is bad" speech either. It was directly tied to the conflict at hand, that Sasha died by going outside her own territory to kill people, making avenging her equallly as sinful as her or Gabi's actions. It wouldn't resolve anything, nothing would be learned. It's more about taking responsibility and being an adult, rather than "war bad, muh kids". Again, I don't have a problem with the message of the speech itself, but with the way that scene was written. Yes, it did deescalate the situation, but I personally felt it could've been done differently by relying more on animation (facial expression, body movement) rather than spelling things out. "Show [more], don't [just] tell". |
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